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This was published in the smh.com.au today - an Australian paper - sadly it's true...

http://www.dailylife.com.au/life-and-love/real-life/are-australians-less-comfortable-naked-than-the-rest-of-the-world-20130830-2svhd.html


I remember it vividly. It was on a beach, a quiet, rather secluded one, on a Greek island. It was hot, of course, peak-summer sun beaming down on the handful of bodies scattered across the sand. I looked around me to see who was in ear shot or eye shot or any sort of shot that would have me spotted, seen. No one was looking. I lay back on my towel and rolled over onto my belly. From this position I deftly undid my bikini top and slithered out of my bottoms. I lay there, walrus-like, a little longer, eyes darting again. And then, taking a deep breath, I flipped over and offered my very nude body to the sky. Naked as a jaybird. Naked as a nudist.

Nothing happened. There wasn't a clap of shame-thunder, the water didn't reel back in horror and then rush to cover me up. No one pointed, no one looked meaningfully at my 'problem areas', no one made any comments about bikini bodies or being bikini ready. Actually, no one even glanced my way. The old nude French man was far too busy loving life with his old nude wife, the merrily naked gay couple behind me were trying to find stones big enough to weigh down their towels and those who strolled by on occasion simply kept strolling by. My nude body was absolutely, unequivocally no big deal. It was a body.

We're self conscious about our bodies, even when trying to be proud.

Living in Europe I am, largely, consistently reminded bodies are just bodies, as opposed to being constantly reminded bodies are public property, subject to constant dissection and judgement, subjects of constant quests for betterment. Europeans in general have long been known for having a far, far more relaxed take on all things nudity and sex. And the Germans, well … they'll nude up at the drop of a hat. That couple on a Spanish beach playing nude racquet ball? Guaranteed German. Strolling through the, ironically named, English Gardens in Munich? You'll find both seasoned nudists and those seeking an all-over tan. Saunas, domain of the Scandinavians, obviously, are nude. Hell, you can go nude camping or nude hiking if you want to. And being nude, should you want to be, at the local beach is a given (although some seek privacy in the rushes or long grass which admittedly lends a sort of perviness to the entire thing).

Growing up, I learnt, as all my friends did, very early on a whole lot of things about the human body, messages that are slowly, thankfully, finding their way to the door and being kicked out by more helpful ones. Messages I still do battle with, deep into my twenties. Through the 90s and early 2000s, I learnt fundamentally the body is best when slim. End of. I learnt that it is embarrassing when nude and how best to avoid being so in any situation that may naturally require it, like change rooms. I learnt it is shameful when nude and not slim and 'covering up' is to be encouraged if you're outside the parameters of slimness. I learnt that bodies that don't 'cover up' are showing off or, obviously, slutty. I learnt bikinis are ideal because they hint at nudity, but actual nudity? Mortifying. Avoid. Avoid.

The concept of and education regarding body image is undergoing, has been for the past decade, a massive overhaul. But we're still quite prudish and somewhat confused when it comes to nakedness. We're self conscious about our bodies, even when trying to be proud. Bodies and their unclothed form are still a thing, something to titillate with, make a statement with. They don't just simply exist. Most of us blush just a little (or flush with unadulterated horror) at the concept of being seen publically nude. Every sex scene that comes out of American, British or Australian television, with the exception of, naturally, anything produced by HBO, seems to involve the female actress being firmly swaddled in enormous bed sheets from go to woe, lest a boob pop out or a groin area be hinted at. We'll show, or nod at, sex depending on the time slot, but only covered up with a bra on and the bed sheet in place. It's this very type of image – the bed-sheet swaddled post coital couple - that reinforces the attitude we cannot escape from; nude bodies are naughty,  sexy when within certain aesthetic parameters, and seeing them is abnormal and alarming.

Over here in the country that came up with Freikörperkultur – free body culture – and was home to the first known nudist camp, nudity can be on TV during prime time and it isn't a big deal. I remember seeing the uncensored portfolio of a glamour actress competing in a Saturday night TV game show challenge. The whole portfolio and the whole model at about 8.30pm on a Saturday night, on a family TV show. No big deal. Out she jogged onto the stage, waving. Eating lunch at a swim-up bar and restaurant in the Baltic meant gazing out over the sea and clocking a couple of penises and a pair of boobs as Germans changed openly from their brisk swim. I remember being told by a family friend of my parents' generation, that I must join her in the sauna and I demurred, saying I didn't have my swimmers with me. She looked at me in horror and said, 'no swimmers.' I looked back at her in prudish horror and we regarded each other in mutual horror, hers revolving around my desire to wear a swimming costume in a public sauna, mine around her desire to be naked in a public sauna with her, as much as I love her.

I don't know where the UK and thus Australia and the USA peeled off from Europe in its attitude toward the human bodies, although I can hazard an uneducated guess (church, prudish royals etcetera.) I do know religion doesn't stop the Germans getting their kit off, or not caring a jot about being naked, and that how a country deals with the human body is ingrained in their greater socio-cultural relationship with sex (and that's one of the most flawed, damaged relationships we have). And I do know Australians could borrow a little of the European attitude to bodies; it's just a body. Get rid of the bed sheet. It's no big deal.

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Re: Are Australians less comfortable naked than the rest of the world ?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2013, 12:07:38 am »
I would totally agree with this post, although it made me think about this Aardman animation, "The Adventures of Jeffery - The Aussie with no Cossy".
http://www.adventuresofjeffrey.com/

Maybe the uk has different ideas about nudism in Australia?

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Re: Are Australians less comfortable naked than the rest of the world ?
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2013, 12:48:53 am »
Great post and I completely agree also! In a vastly sex orientated world seen in music videos, at nightclubs and what not nudity seems to the most part taboo. And I'm yet to see why!

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Re: Are Australians less comfortable naked than the rest of the world ?
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2013, 09:53:33 am »
Having lived in Australia for the past 31 years now, I would agree with this.  A shame, considering we've got the perfect weather for nudist activities. 

The only place in Australia which seems to have nudist communities and public nudity alike is Byron Bay/Nimbin which is Australia's New Age capital.

Nudism was the 'in' thing in Australia for a while during the late 60's - early 80's, but started to decline in the 90's.  Now it's virtually a baby-boomers lifestyle, probably because they were exposed to nudism in their youth and more at ease about it than the younger generations are. 

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Re: Are Australians less comfortable naked than the rest of the world ?
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2013, 11:42:15 pm »
Having lived in Australia for the past 31 years now, I would agree with this.  A shame, considering we've got the perfect weather for nudist activities. 

The only place in Australia which seems to have nudist communities and public nudity alike is Byron Bay/Nimbin which is Australia's New Age capital.

Nudism was the 'in' thing in Australia for a while during the late 60's - early 80's, but started to decline in the 90's.  Now it's virtually a baby-boomers lifestyle, probably because they were exposed to nudism in their youth and more at ease about it than the younger generations are.

Current 15-35yo are comfortable nude around friends when doing things like skinny dipping, hanging in a friends backyard and at the beach I see equal numbers of over 40's and under 40's.

Us younger ones just don't hang all day at the beach
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Re: Are Australians less comfortable naked than the rest of the world ?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2013, 02:18:19 am »
Having lived in Australia for the past 31 years now, I would agree with this.  A shame, considering we've got the perfect weather for nudist activities. 

The only place in Australia which seems to have nudist communities and public nudity alike is Byron Bay/Nimbin which is Australia's New Age capital.

Nudism was the 'in' thing in Australia for a while during the late 60's - early 80's, but started to decline in the 90's.  Now it's virtually a baby-boomers lifestyle, probably because they were exposed to nudism in their youth and more at ease about it than the younger generations are.

Current 15-35yo are comfortable nude around friends when doing things like skinny dipping, hanging in a friends backyard and at the beach I see equal numbers of over 40's and under 40's.

Us younger ones just don't hang all day at the beach

Actually my story is the opposite.  When I first got into nudism at the age of 19, I was more comfortable being nude around people I didn't know very well as opposed to textile friends.

Since coming out as a nudist in 2002 I have a 'take me, leave me but don't try to change me' attitude to people regardless of whether they are my friends or not.

In the 23 years I've been a nudist, I have only ever managed to get about 5 textile friends into nudism, none of whom decided to do it on a permanent level.  :-(
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Re: Are Australians less comfortable naked than the rest of the world ?
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2013, 01:40:06 am »
yes I would have to agree with it,just by the amount of nudusts there are or that I have seen.
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Re: Are Australians less comfortable naked than the rest of the world ?
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2013, 02:59:27 am »
One thing which has changed in recent years is how few topless girls there are at the non-nude beaches. 10 years ago it was much more common place. More recently, it's become rare.

I used to feel comfortable going topless at any beach in Sydney - now I'm much more selective.


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Re: Are Australians less comfortable naked than the rest of the world ?
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2013, 12:54:42 pm »
One thing which has changed in recent years is how few topless girls there are at the non-nude beaches. 10 years ago it was much more common place. More recently, it's become rare.

I used to feel comfortable going topless at any beach in Sydney - now I'm much more selective.


When I was in Oz a few years ago with a friend, we went topfree at Bondi and it was full of backpackers from all over the world. Is that still the case?
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Re: Are Australians less comfortable naked than the rest of the world ?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2013, 12:58:23 pm »
I would totally agree with this post, although it made me think about this Aardman animation, "The Adventures of Jeffery - The Aussie with no Cossy".
http://www.adventuresofjeffrey.com/

Maybe the uk has different ideas about nudism in Australia?


This made me laugh so hard!  Thanks! 
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Re: Are Australians less comfortable naked than the rest of the world ?
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2013, 09:16:01 pm »
One thing which has changed in recent years is how few topless girls there are at the non-nude beaches. 10 years ago it was much more common place. More recently, it's become rare.

I used to feel comfortable going topless at any beach in Sydney - now I'm much more selective.


When I was in Oz a few years ago with a friend, we went topfree at Bondi and it was full of backpackers from all over the world. Is that still the case?

On all the Sydney beaches you will find a few topless girls, Bondi and Coogee more than most, but as Jen said the numbers are diminshing and you can feel a little isolated with your top off
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Re: Are Australians less comfortable naked than the rest of the world ?
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2013, 12:39:55 pm »
One thing which has changed in recent years is how few topless girls there are at the non-nude beaches. 10 years ago it was much more common place. More recently, it's become rare.

I used to feel comfortable going topless at any beach in Sydney - now I'm much more selective.


When I was in Oz a few years ago with a friend, we went topfree at Bondi and it was full of backpackers from all over the world. Is that still the case?

Yes.  Myself and one of my besties went to Sydney last year to see the band The Pretty Things perform, and we stayed in a backpackers place just near Bondi.  Still very popular with tourists and backpackers, mostly Asian ones.  You still get the odd girls sunbathing topless on the beach there.

Should let me know the next time you visit Oz, I'd love to meet you in person and show you around some of my nudist beauty spots after knowing you online for the last 14 odd years.  ;-)
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