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Old german Mags
« on: October 08, 2016, 07:51:14 am »
My parents told me about a old german mag called "jung und frei" that was sold in the 80ies or so. Does anyone know more about it?

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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2016, 11:57:04 am »
I found this  on wikipedia, but it is only in German.  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jung_%26_Frei

And here you can see any pictures about this magazine  http://9nudist.com/fkk-jung-und-frei-nude-magazine-nummer-112/
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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2016, 02:51:56 pm »
Danke! Meine Eltern sind sich nicht sicher ob die Hefte jetzt jugen gefährdend oder sogar illegal sind. Weist du da was?

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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2016, 05:23:52 pm »
Die Zeitschrit ist indiziert (starke Verkaufsbeschränkung, da als stark jugendgefährdend angesehen), nicht beschlagnahmt (jede Verbreitung oder gar Besitz verboten). Also man darf nicht damit werben, dass man es verkauft, aber man darf es weitergeben (Verkauf ab 18). Laut dem Wikipediaartikel besteht die Jugendgefährdung jedoch nicht darin, dass das Material für Jugendliche problematisch sei, sondern darin, dass es im freien Verkauf leicht in die Hände von Pädophilen gelangen könnte und sie zu bösen Taten anstiften könnte. FKK wird nämlich gerne als Vorwand genutzt, um Nacktfotos zu verbreiten, wenn erotische Bilder nicht erlaubt sind.

The magazine is on the "harmful to minors" index that comes with severe restriction on sale, but there is no confiscation that would outright prevent any form of distribution or outlaw possession. You may not advertise that you sell it, but you can distribute it (though stores may sell to adults only). According to the Wikipedia article, it is not considered "harmful to minors" because of the impression the content may leave on young people, but because open sale makes the material more accessible to paedophiles and it was feared that it might encourage them to do bad things. The term nudism is, after all, commonly abused as an excuse to distribute nudes when erotic photos are prohibited.
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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2016, 07:55:38 am »
The company that published Jung und Frei. Peenhill Ltd also published H&E along with a French version of Jung und Frei called Jeunes et Naturels until the company went under in 1997. The magazines were already illegal in England hence why they were sold in France and Germany the usual method of how pre-internet child pornography operated to avoid being shut down.

Jung und Frei went out of it's way to crop adults and focus on children and young teens a lot these were misused family photos properly without permission according to the FKK Museum the early editions were very picture heavy later editions had token articles that rarely matched the pictures.

The offices of the company were raided a year before they went out of business for good and assets purchased by H&E Naturist present owner who reformed H&E back in more naturist direction they ceased and destroyed remaining copies of Jung und Frei and Jeunes & Naturels because they didn't want to be associated with those magazines finally putting an end to what were two pretty dodgy publications and a very uncomfortable case of naturist exploitation.                     
« Last Edit: October 14, 2016, 10:59:59 pm by NudieDaniel »
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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2016, 12:48:48 pm »
Oh exploitation..so I was a really bad thing  huh

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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2016, 12:30:02 am »
I'll post the BN magazine articles I used for Peenhill Ltd it's sad and interesting history we thankfully recovered from if you want to read them

http://www.nudismlife.com/galleries/nude_nudists_vintage/nudists_magazines/british_naturism/british_naturism_135/Bn135-16.jpg

http://www.nudismlife.com/galleries/nude_nudists_vintage/nudists_magazines/british_naturism/british_naturism_136/Bn136-07.jpg

http://www.nudismlife.com/galleries/nude_nudists_vintage/nudists_magazines/british_naturism/british_naturism_136/Bn136-14.jpg

FKK Museum page on Jung und Frei

http://www.fkk-museum.de/seite318.html

I used other sites I can't remember right now also I used information from the Film and Literature Board of Review(New Zealand) who upheld it's objectionable classification. 
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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2016, 11:02:27 pm »
Thanks for all the links! Looks like nudism has gone through some ups, and sadly some downs

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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2016, 12:06:51 pm »
Well honestly I can imagine that older people enjoy looking at us younger kids and publishing photos of us (and younger ones than i am now). I experienced that many times being in nude resorts. I personally did never get much bothered by that, if you are young and not fat it's quite normal that people are looking at you. Publishing photos in magazines may be kind of different. So far i didn't have the chance to look at any of them so i cannot judge if they are really embarrassing.

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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2016, 12:22:49 pm »
Thanks for all the links! Looks like nudism has gone through some ups, and sadly some downs
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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2016, 01:26:28 am »
Another German magazine similar to Jung und Frei was called Sonnenfreunde Sonderhefte it's was according to the FKK Museum discontinued after indexing it's also mentioned in the wikipedia posted here they published also Sonnenfreunde a magazine that lasted from the 1950's to the late 1990's seems unlike H&E no interest in saving that publication 

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Sunfreunde Sonderhefte, or "Children of the Sun," as this series was called, was discontinued shortly after indexing. In this series of magazines mostly naturist pictures of children and adolescents were shown, but without essential information about the free-body culture.
   

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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2016, 09:10:34 am »
Funny old stuff Delfin thank you for the links..no idea why this should be bad but I am still young and will learn...

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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2016, 04:16:53 pm »
The issue with these and others like Teenage Nudist and Young and Naked is that they focus primarily on teens and/or children.
 Most naturist magazines contain some photos of children and/or teens, but not as a main focus.  They are either in family sittings or in articles about event for them (example Nude and Natural (published by The Naturist Society) has contained articles about the youth camp @ Sunsport Gardens in Florida and of events like the Mid-Winter Gathering).

The focus of chilren and/or teens in the magazines like Jung and Frei has made it questionable who their target audience was.

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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2016, 07:58:20 pm »
The issue with these and others like Teenage Nudist and Young and Naked is that they focus primarily on teens and/or children.
 Most naturist magazines contain some photos of children and/or teens, but not as a main focus.  They are either in family sittings or in articles about event for them (example Nude and Natural (published by The Naturist Society) has contained articles about the youth camp @ Sunsport Gardens in Florida and of events like the Mid-Winter Gathering).

The focus of chilren and/or teens in the magazines like Jung and Frei has made it questionable who their target audience was.

I think you are right. The problem lies on the context and not on the picture in that case. I don't think the pictures are indecent. But if you print them in a magazine without much intention of objective documentation, they can become it. The intention behind them is decisive.

Its the same like the whole thing with nudity. For itself nudity isn't bad or good. But it can turn to the one or to the other side.  I talked to Danee yesterday about a picture taken of kids in a concentration camp of the nazis (or how we say in german "KZ" for short). The kids had to be stand naked for some doubtful medical documentation and very cruel experiments carried out by "Dr. Mengele". They don't show more or less than the kids and teens in the magazines but the nazi-photo I would call VERY indecent even if it doesn't have any sexual context.

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Re: Old german Mags
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2016, 03:46:11 am »
If you want a legit publication aimed at youth fkk-jugend publishes a magazine available to members   
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