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General Talk (primarily non-naturist) => Television, Movies and Theatre => Topic started by: ViolentBunny on October 12, 2021, 04:52:22 am

Title: Squid Game
Post by: ViolentBunny on October 12, 2021, 04:52:22 am
Is anyone watching? What do you think about it? I wasn't prepared for the 5th episode
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: JustARando on October 12, 2021, 05:09:05 am
It's great. You won't be prepared for the next ones. Can't wait for season 2. Hopefully [spoilers] is there.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Turbo_ on October 12, 2021, 10:45:05 am
Is anyone watching? What do you think about it? I wasn't prepared for the 5th episode

Youre not gonna get a break on the next one 💀
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: JoyousLemons on October 13, 2021, 09:18:38 pm
I finished watching it the other day and loved it
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Fitness1617 on October 14, 2021, 07:07:25 am
I watched it too, I thought it was pretty good. Very good acting, but it was a bit homophobic at times
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Paula MZ on October 14, 2021, 08:02:36 am
I found it brutal and was not prepared for it overall. Actually, I didn't want to continue watching after the first episode, but it actually got better and better. Maybe also because it was the first Korean series I ever watched. :thinking:
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: iHateClothes on October 14, 2021, 11:44:42 am
Oh my god it's invaded here too!
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: jabber1990 on October 14, 2021, 01:27:42 pm
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Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: JoyousLemons on October 15, 2021, 04:48:17 am
I watched it too, I thought it was pretty good. Very good acting, but it was a bit homophobic at times

How was it homophobic? Where did that even come from
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Naturalguy87 on October 15, 2021, 10:40:17 pm
I haven't started watching it yet, but plan to soon.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Infinity Biscuit on October 15, 2021, 11:11:39 pm
some threads with important historical context for the show for people who haven't read a lot about the history of south korea (warnings for spoilers for squid game, for discussion of crimes against humanity, and several other content warnings individually listed in the first thread):

https://twitter.com/nodutdol/status/1448707023349194753

https://twitter.com/hermit_hwarang/status/1446848977056456705
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Fitness1617 on October 16, 2021, 07:26:03 am
I watched it too, I thought it was pretty good. Very good acting, but it was a bit homophobic at times

How was it homophobic? Where did that even come from

The stuff with the VIPs, how they are almost all coded as gay and depicted as depraved deviants.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Gaberone on October 16, 2021, 01:00:44 pm
Just got done with it. Great show. Can’t wait for season 2. Anybody know if there will be one?
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: JoyousLemons on October 17, 2021, 06:05:52 am
I watched it too, I thought it was pretty good. Very good acting, but it was a bit homophobic at times

How was it homophobic? Where did that even come from

The stuff with the VIPs, how they are almost all coded as gay and depicted as depraved deviants.

Literally one guy was gay and of course they're all snobby assholes. They're millionares/billionares that bet on people winning the games and enjoy watching people die in them.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: eagleday on October 17, 2021, 09:36:20 am
Good. But, within the same genre, still better is the Japanese "Alice in Borderland".
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: ViolentBunny on October 18, 2021, 12:42:09 pm
I just finished it 😭😭😭
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: thelvx on October 18, 2021, 04:34:47 pm
Good. But, within the same genre, still better is the Japanese "Alice in Borderland".

I was just going to mention how similar Squid Game seems to be to Alice in Borderland. I wonder if Squid Game was influenced by Alice in Borderland
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Redfrigginriot on October 18, 2021, 04:50:44 pm
Personally haven't seen it yet. The hype is intimidating.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: JoyousLemons on October 19, 2021, 12:33:15 am
Personally haven't seen it yet. The hype is intimidating.

W a t c h   i t (but don't watch the dub, it's shit)
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Redfrigginriot on October 19, 2021, 01:38:22 am
Personally haven't seen it yet. The hype is intimidating.

W a t c h   i t (but don't watch the dub, it's shit)
Everyone says that for every show. I never believe them. That instinct is almost always proven right I've learned.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Interested Nudist on October 19, 2021, 01:38:41 am
I just finished it 😭😭😭

Just finished it today too.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Interested Nudist on October 19, 2021, 01:39:49 am
Personally haven't seen it yet. The hype is intimidating.

W a t c h   i t (but don't watch the dub, it's shit)
Everyone says that for every show. I never believe them. That instinct is almost always proven right I've learned.

usually its the opposite for me. when I finally watch a show my friends have been telling me to watch, I actually end up enjoying it.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: JoyousLemons on October 19, 2021, 01:40:15 am
Personally haven't seen it yet. The hype is intimidating.

W a t c h   i t (but don't watch the dub, it's shit)
Everyone says that for every show. I never believe them. That instinct is almost always proven right I've learned.

No really, the voice acting for the dub is terrible
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Redfrigginriot on October 19, 2021, 01:41:26 am
Personally haven't seen it yet. The hype is intimidating.

W a t c h   i t (but don't watch the dub, it's shit)
Everyone says that for every show. I never believe them. That instinct is almost always proven right I've learned.

usually its the opposite for me. when I finally watch a show my friends have been telling me to watch, I actually end up enjoying it.
I meant about dubs. I like literally everything.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Interested Nudist on October 19, 2021, 01:43:00 am
Personally haven't seen it yet. The hype is intimidating.

W a t c h   i t (but don't watch the dub, it's shit)
Everyone says that for every show. I never believe them. That instinct is almost always proven right I've learned.

usually its the opposite for me. when I finally watch a show my friends have been telling me to watch, I actually end up enjoying it.
I meant about dubs. I like literally everything.

ah ok. but in this case lemon man is right. the dub is terrible. the subtitles are atleast kinda better but I couldn't be bothered to read so I just watched the dub lol
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Redfrigginriot on October 19, 2021, 01:43:44 am
Personally haven't seen it yet. The hype is intimidating.

W a t c h   i t (but don't watch the dub, it's shit)
Everyone says that for every show. I never believe them. That instinct is almost always proven right I've learned.

usually its the opposite for me. when I finally watch a show my friends have been telling me to watch, I actually end up enjoying it.
I meant about dubs. I like literally everything.

ah ok. but in this case lemon man is right. the dub is terrible. the subtitles are atleast kinda better but I couldn't be bothered to read so I just watched the dub lol
I watch both subbed and dubbed anime a lot so I have enough experience with both.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Fitness1617 on October 19, 2021, 04:41:58 am
I watched it too, I thought it was pretty good. Very good acting, but it was a bit homophobic at times

How was it homophobic? Where did that even come from

The stuff with the VIPs, how they are almost all coded as gay and depicted as depraved deviants.

Literally one guy was gay and of course they're all snobby assholes. They're millionares/billionares that bet on people winning the games and enjoy watching people die in them.

Characters can be coded as gay without actually explicitly saying they’re gay, and a lot of the VIPs were coded as gay.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Esh on October 22, 2021, 01:42:50 am
Is anyone watching? What do you think about it? I wasn't prepared for the 5th episode

yo that show is mad. you seen alice in borderland? its similar to it. same sort of idea behind them both, but executed differently.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: eagleday on October 22, 2021, 02:28:07 am
Good. But, within the same genre, still better is the Japanese "Alice in Borderland".

I was just going to mention how similar Squid Game seems to be to Alice in Borderland. I wonder if Squid Game was influenced by Alice in Borderland

The game problem-solving and the mysterious figures in "Alice" are more intriguing.
"Squid Games" attracts more debate because it depicts weaponized child's play and socio-economic controversy.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Infinity Biscuit on October 22, 2021, 03:01:35 pm
some stories are death games first and foremost, and the focus is on that aspect and the puzzles etc.

squid game is a story about south korean society's relationship w capitalism and the US and how that affects people first and foremost, using a death game as a vessel, so the emphasis is on making sure the components fit that

also you have to look at the broader context when it comes to how shows end up handling things like gayness. none of the players or guards had any indication that they were into the same gender, and the only one we did get was a decadent, evil rich man. while that does not necessarily stand out as over homophobia, it is at best unfortunate, and when taken in with the broader context of people from centuries ago to today seeing homosexuality and bisexuality as an expression of decadence, it definitely has issues
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: eagleday on November 02, 2021, 06:21:39 am
some stories are death games first and foremost, and the focus is on that aspect and the puzzles etc.

squid game is a story about south korean society's relationship w capitalism and the US and how that affects people first and foremost, using a death game as a vessel, so the emphasis is on making sure the components fit that

also you have to look at the broader context when it comes to how shows end up handling things like gayness. none of the players or guards had any indication that they were into the same gender, and the only one we did get was a decadent, evil rich man. while that does not necessarily stand out as over homophobia, it is at best unfortunate, and when taken in with the broader context of people from centuries ago to today seeing homosexuality and bisexuality as an expression of decadence, it definitely has issues

Oh I see. I thought the privilege and capitalism context outweigh the anti-gay slur, hence acceptable.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Kuromi on November 09, 2021, 08:31:50 am
I guess I might be in the minority here as people generally tend to love the show, but I just felt like it was pretty stale. The acting it just mediocre, and the characters are really just cardboard cutouts in terms of depth (a good guy, a smart guy, a tricky rebel girl etc). Don't even get me started on the VIPs. And the main message of the show (wealth corrupts people!!) is so overused and plain it's not even funny.

Now don't get me wrong, I still liked the show as it has some nice aesthetics and the games are interesting. It's just I don't think it deserves the hype and acclaim it gets.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: swede on November 09, 2021, 06:09:57 pm
I guess I might be in the minority here as people generally tend to love the show, but I just felt like it was pretty stale. The acting it just mediocre, and the characters are really just cardboard cutouts in terms of depth (a good guy, a smart guy, a tricky rebel girl etc). Don't even get me started on the VIPs. And the main message of the show (wealth corrupts people!!) is so overused and plain it's not even funny.

Now don't get me wrong, I still liked the show as it has some nice aesthetics and the games are interesting. It's just I don't think it deserves the hype and acclaim it gets.

I liked the show, but yeah. The acting of the VIPs was atrocious. Couldn't stand their shitty acting.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: JoyousLemons on November 09, 2021, 06:22:41 pm
I guess I might be in the minority here as people generally tend to love the show, but I just felt like it was pretty stale. The acting it just mediocre, and the characters are really just cardboard cutouts in terms of depth (a good guy, a smart guy, a tricky rebel girl etc). Don't even get me started on the VIPs. And the main message of the show (wealth corrupts people!!) is so overused and plain it's not even funny.

Now don't get me wrong, I still liked the show as it has some nice aesthetics and the games are interesting. It's just I don't think it deserves the hype and acclaim it gets.

What are you talking about the acting was great
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Infinity Biscuit on November 09, 2021, 07:31:55 pm
"good guy", "smart guy", and "tricky rebel girl" are so far removed from the three characters that it took me a bit to understand whom they were meant for at first. every character in fiction is a cardboard cutout if you ignore most of their characterisation!

and the theme isn't that "wealth corrupts people" it's that the capitalist system imposed upon South Korean society for the benefit of the wealthy in the United States causes effectively-inescapable misery for countless people and that the mythology set up to let the oppressed believe they can make it to the top if they just work hard (as sang-woo tries to justify his actions with) is used to have those at the bottom compete and tear each other down

and maybe "rich people rigged the game to exploit the rest" isn't subverting any big tropes or whatever but it's going to be an evocative place to tell stories from for as long as it remains relevant! I'd rather an effective story w a powerful message than just making a twist for the sake of a twist

the vips weren't great actors but like I give it slack bc they're foreigners both in and out of the show. most of us here are native English speakers watching a show made in Korea, so the English language acting is gonna stand out much more to us than the original audience. 
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: guspoa on November 10, 2021, 12:50:31 am
I also don't really understand the hype i mean don't get me wrong, i liked the show overall but I don't get why it became the most watched show in the world.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: Kuromi on November 10, 2021, 10:32:23 am
"good guy", "smart guy", and "tricky rebel girl" are so far removed from the three characters that it took me a bit to understand whom they were meant for at first. every character in fiction is a cardboard cutout if you ignore most of their characterisation!

and the theme isn't that "wealth corrupts people" it's that the capitalist system imposed upon South Korean society for the benefit of the wealthy in the United States causes effectively-inescapable misery for countless people and that the mythology set up to let the oppressed believe they can make it to the top if they just work hard (as sang-woo tries to justify his actions with) is used to have those at the bottom compete and tear each other down

and maybe "rich people rigged the game to exploit the rest" isn't subverting any big tropes or whatever but it's going to be an evocative place to tell stories from for as long as it remains relevant! I'd rather an effective story w a powerful message than just making a twist for the sake of a twist

the vips weren't great actors but like I give it slack bc they're foreigners both in and out of the show. most of us here are native English speakers watching a show made in Korea, so the English language acting is gonna stand out much more to us than the original audience.

I'm pretty sure you can set the exact same game in almost any country (including the US) as it's not a problem to find a couple hundred people neck deep in debt and desperate enough to risk their lives for the money, so I don't think it's tied to SK in any way.

As for the characters, I think they are cutouts simply because they literally have one trait that defines their entire personality. They hardly change throughout the show, and most of them don't have any sort of arc (aside from the two main guys whose arcs literally happen in the last several episodes and are not only tied to each other, but are also super predictable and simply boring). Then there are characters who exist solely to give us some exposition, like the cop who gets thrown way the moment the show doesn't need him.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: JohnNotJack on November 10, 2021, 02:35:19 pm
Honestly, I don't think it was as memorable as people were hyping it up to be, it was 'unique' (I say that in apostrophes since it was HEAVILY based off of a manga), but the writing kinda fell apart towards the end, loose ends of storylines, completely disregarding the initial point it was trying to make to fit the story they chose to tell, etc.
Title: Re: Squid Game
Post by: eagleday on November 10, 2021, 03:29:01 pm
"but are also super predictable..."

Ah yes, I realized it, to the point I could guess the sole survivor somewhere in the middle episode. That's why I keep referring to "Alice in Borderland". That's one heck of a brain twist.