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General Talk (primarily non-naturist) => Pitti's Book Club => Topic started by: kobe.malta on March 17, 2011, 08:27:16 pm

Title: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: kobe.malta on March 17, 2011, 08:27:16 pm
Hey,
so recently I started reading Twilight. Is it a girl's book?? because I see nothing in it yet that is not adequate for guys.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Dan on March 17, 2011, 08:37:59 pm
Hey,
so recently I started reading Twilight. Is it a girl's book?? because I see nothing in it yet that is not adequate for guys.

What do you mean by "adequate"?
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: kobe.malta on March 17, 2011, 08:54:37 pm
not meant for guys :P
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Dan on March 17, 2011, 09:22:00 pm
not meant for guys :P

Did you see anything in it that you feel is meant for guys?
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: kobe.malta on March 17, 2011, 09:30:58 pm
idk....but I saw nothing meant for girls only ...yet :P
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: RD on March 17, 2011, 10:37:04 pm
Twilight is basically a teenage romantic drama with vampires and werewolves thrown in to make it more interesting for the readers. So yes, it is typically aimed at girls, for example, one of the actors in the movies is literally paid to be topless in it
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Dan on March 17, 2011, 11:01:56 pm
I don't want to judge something before I see it but Netflix tells me I'll strongly hate it if I watch it.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: davelemmo on March 18, 2011, 04:09:29 am
Although I have never read any of the books, I do believe that it is not intended for male readers, nor is it intended for vampire fans, since it seems that its vampires are not effected by sunlight.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2011, 04:28:51 am
Although I have never read any of the books, I do believe that it is not intended for male readers, nor is it intended for vampire fans, since it seems that its vampires are not effected by sunlight.

I've yet to see a positive review by a guy.

Here's an analysis of it:

Why Twilight Is Popular (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4uuGvmAxTI&feature=player_embedded#normal)
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: kobe.malta on March 18, 2011, 02:50:56 pm
I should probably stop reading it lool :P
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Sik on March 18, 2011, 08:29:46 pm
I should probably stop reading it lool :P
Bah, do as you wish.  You can also forge your own opinion over it ;)

(I'm not tempted by the experience though :P)
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Lisa2408 on March 18, 2011, 08:41:53 pm
Why do you think, this books are only for girls?
I know a lot of boys reading Twilight Saga
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: kobe.malta on March 18, 2011, 08:46:19 pm
I don;t really hate it :F
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: basti83 on July 02, 2011, 11:48:00 am
yeah, its a girls book. but the movies r ok ;)
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: FantasyFan2011 on July 07, 2011, 08:03:50 pm
I'm a guy and I actually love the series. I'm kind of a hopeless romantic and find it fun. I think the hatred and violence toward to groups (can we say R&J) defiantly brings some stuff in it for guys. I think the movies bring more of it, especially Eclipse because of the fighting.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Elodie16 on August 28, 2011, 01:42:12 pm
I loved Twilight I read it from first to last page at once with little up the nose
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: SurfNatural on September 08, 2011, 04:05:39 pm
Confession, I have read them. It was never a book that I would have picked up off the shelf and said "oh man this is something I have got to get into" But I was flattered into it by someone saying I reminded them of a character in the series. Of course, my vanity got the best of me and I was hooked. It was the underlying "love conquers all" sentiment that got me. I consider myself in a healthy supply of testosterone but am not afraid to say I have read the series because romantics love company. And every now and then people need a sappy happy ending.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: OtisGlicker on November 12, 2011, 02:36:31 am
As a person with deep respect for what the horror genre once was, I think this author needs to leave vampires and werewolves alone. It's insulting.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Stuart on November 12, 2011, 12:10:43 pm
As a person with deep respect for what the horror genre once was, I think this author needs to leave vampires and werewolves alone. It's insulting.

Don't you believe in freedom of speech?
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: OtisGlicker on November 12, 2011, 07:32:05 pm
As a person with deep respect for what the horror genre once was, I think this author needs to leave vampires and werewolves alone. It's insulting.

Don't you believe in freedom of speech?
Uh.. Yeah, sure, but I don't really understand where the Twilight series would have anything to do with professing one's ideals or beliefs; something most commonly associated with freedom of speech. But whatever, what I'm saying is that if she wanted to make a romance novel, she doesn't need to put vampires in it. Disregarding an entire horror formula and changing everything we know about vampires just to get your middle school romance novels to be a little more noticeable is a pretty low thing. How would Bela Legosi feel if he were around to see this mess? If I ever saw Christopher Lee sparkle and cry, I wouldn't know what to do with myself.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2011, 07:38:03 pm
Uh.. Yeah, sure, but I don't really understand where the Twilight series would have anything to do with professing one's ideals or beliefs; something most commonly associated with freedom of speech.

This is not what freedom of speech is about. Freedom of speech is about protecting speech you hate.

But whatever, what I'm saying is that if she wanted to make a romance novel, she doesn't need to put vampires in it. Disregarding an entire horror formula and changing everything we know about vampires just to get your middle school romance novels to be a little more noticeable is a pretty low thing.

What's the point of making new things if they have to be exactly like the old things?

Yeah, she does mediocre literature. So freaking what? We live in a world that's utterly flooded by entertainment. Pick something else that makes you happy.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: OtisGlicker on November 12, 2011, 07:43:15 pm
Yeah, she does mediocre literature. So freaking what? We live in a world that's utterly flooded by entertainment. Pick something else that makes you happy.
Calm down, friend. I'm not attacking anyone. I've just stated my opinion, that's all. Isn't that what forums of all types are all about? Getting your opinion out there, even if it's not a very popular one?
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Delta on November 12, 2011, 07:56:06 pm
Uh.. Yeah, sure, but I don't really understand where the Twilight series would have anything to do with professing one's ideals or beliefs; something most commonly associated with freedom of speech.

This is not what freedom of speech is about. Freedom of speech is about protecting speech you hate.

That does mean we have to support or enjoy it. It just means we have to avoid banning it.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Stuart on November 12, 2011, 08:18:30 pm
Uh.. Yeah, sure, but I don't really understand where the Twilight series would have anything to do with professing one's ideals or beliefs; something most commonly associated with freedom of speech.

Or freedom of artistic expression. People like the books, so what's the problem?
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: OtisGlicker on November 12, 2011, 08:21:12 pm
People like the books, so what's the problem?

People like Jersey Shore too, but I still think it's a plague. In the end, it's just personal opinion. That's all.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Riley_Gautier on November 12, 2011, 10:48:51 pm
Okay my opinion to this might not be valid as Im a girl. At first I didnt like twilight because I thought it was a bit cliche. Then after watching the first film i read the four books and I fell in love. I think it's because I'm too much of a hopeless romantic at heart and because I've seen the first film I wanted to see the 2nd and the 3rd and really cant wait too see the 4th (both parts) Although saying that I dont like how they dont put the best parts from the book into the movie.

Guess thats why its a good idea to read the books first. A few of my friends are Twi-haters but that doesnt bother me because each to their own I guess. (:
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2011, 11:35:23 pm
I think it's because I'm too much of a hopeless romantic at heart

Abusive relationships aren't romantic.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Riley_Gautier on November 13, 2011, 10:03:24 pm
I think it's because I'm too much of a hopeless romantic at heart

Abusive relationships aren't romantic.

I wasn't saying I like the 'abusive relationship' I just like the story line or whatever. Not all of it is based on so called abuse, Yes I get that it's not very acurate because the Vampires sparkle in the sunlight and some are 'vegetarians' but I don't scrutinize movies down to fine detail.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2011, 04:04:10 am
I wasn't saying I like the 'abusive relationship' I just like the story line or whatever. Not all of it is based on so called abuse, Yes I get that it's not very acurate because the Vampires sparkle in the sunlight and some are 'vegetarians' but I don't scrutinize movies down to fine detail.

The story line is about an abusive relationship. Edward is an abusive douche and Bella suffers from battered wife syndrome.

Someone compiled a partial list against the signs of abuse (http://kar3ning.livejournal.com/545639.html).
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Steggsaurus on November 27, 2011, 11:48:26 am
Jenny (my gf) is a big fan of Twighlight and other "dark romance" fiction... she has a healthy attitude about it (she recognises the way the relationships in Twilight could be seen as quite unhealthy, for example) but she still enjoys reading them (and stuff like LJ Smith who writes the Secret Circle books).

She's suggested I read Twilight but it just doesn't appeal to me.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Delta on December 01, 2011, 08:13:34 pm
Probably the romance. I do not know, I did not read it (personally, I would even prefer datasheets over romantic stories), but the portrayal of vampires has also been criticized. How are they being portrayed?
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Delta on December 01, 2011, 08:48:58 pm
Well, as I have mentioned in Stuart's Zombie thread, there is a great variety in the portrayal of vampires' weakness to sunlight. Sometimes they crumble to dust the moment a sun ray hits them, sometimes it is just a bit of a burning sensation. But what about their personalities? I mean, vampires are popularly thought of as bloodthirsty royals (with Vlad Tepes and Erzebeth Bathory being the prime inspirations behind that aspect of vampire myths), how do the "girly ones" behave?
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Delta on December 01, 2011, 09:23:29 pm
So the visual effect during sun exposure is everything people have been annoyed with?
Still, romantic stories are nothing for me.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: jcs2010 on December 31, 2011, 10:54:21 pm
In my opinion the Vampire genre has been severely damaged by Twilight. Vampires are not meant to sparkle. Seriously these vampires look like they can be taken out if sneeze on them. Plus having read the books or what constitutes an actual book, i must say it was a story of sexist love which promoted nothing particularly inspiring from an intellectual or social stand point.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Dan on January 01, 2012, 02:03:48 am
Seriously these vampires look like they can be taken out if sneeze on them.

Actually, they are immune to pretty much any form of damage and for all practical purposes invulnerable and immortal. Which in my humble opinion contribute to a shitty story.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: capri2013 on January 27, 2012, 05:12:02 am
Ok so like i have this major obsession with teen vampire novels. I would definitely say that twilight is for girls because every guy ik says that it's a stupid book that's too lovey dovey and too dramatic. I personally love twilight and i don't think guys could really get into it unless they were really sensitive or feminine in some sort of way.
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Post by: Asiam on January 27, 2012, 05:14:22 am
I think the question is whether Twilight is good enough to be considered a book...
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Post by: ClothesSuck on January 27, 2012, 06:00:39 am
I mean... I read the whole series and I rather enjoyed it. A girlfriend of mine forced me to read the first one and I thought I would hate it, but I ended up actually enjoying and finishing the series. I did, however, avoid reading them in public, haha.
But I will say this: the books are not too well written, but if you can ignore that, the story is pretty interesting. And so far, I've hated the movies. They are quite terrible.
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Post by: Asiam on January 27, 2012, 06:32:33 am
I'm not sure ignoring the fact that a book is horribly written is a good idea.
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Post by: ClothesSuck on January 29, 2012, 02:08:16 pm
I'm not sure ignoring the fact that a book is horribly written is a good idea.

I agree and I wish they were better written, but while they aren't necessarily novels of literary merit, they are still an enjoyable read.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Petrucio28 on July 19, 2012, 04:02:39 am
I will admit that I've read the Twilight Saga, and to be perfectly frank, I really thought it was some of the worst novels I've read. Not because the novels were written badly as far as form or English, but the story really wasn't that good. There was the possibility of the books being alright, or even good, but that didn't happen.
In my opinion, of course.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: eagleday on September 06, 2012, 04:58:51 pm
I'm blessed with a girlfriend who despises the book, and even more the movie, and even more the actors/actresses. I don't think the book is written for all girls without exception. Meyer wrote this book for typical 'girls' in her mind (and perhaps lots of us think the same): cheesy, craving for being adored by lots of pretty boys, prom nites, saved by prince(s) charming, you name it. Sometimes we don't realize that there are different kinds of girls.

As for the fact that lots of people, including boys, are nailed to the book, I can't judge them for having sub-standard literary taste. It is a fact that industrialized, franchised pop-art like boy band is more 'acceptable' to market, and thus makes more money. But I can say that there are lots of teenage and even children novels which are written better.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Dan on September 06, 2012, 11:04:15 pm
She didn't write for girls, she wrote for herself.
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Post by: Zeraf242 on September 07, 2012, 12:54:24 am
I'm pretty sure that this is a girl book.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: skaterchick98 on April 18, 2013, 09:17:49 pm
i havent read any of the books so idk how closely the movies follow the books but based on the movies i would say that the first to movies (twilight and new moon) are chick flicks for sure but the other 3 (eclipse and breaking dawn part 1 and 2) are more action packed and i have a few male friends that love the series as a whole so in my opinion it's just a matter of what you like i dont like when people put labels on things  if you like it watch it
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Post by: Riot.EXE on April 18, 2013, 10:02:13 pm
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I don't want to judge something before I see it but Netflix tells me I'll strongly hate it if I watch it.

I don't think the films are very reflective of the books. A bunch of my friends who are Twilight fans absolutely hated the first movie.

As for me, I think the whole series should shrivel up and die, like a vampire is supposed to do when they go out in the sunlight.

It did.
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Post by: luca on June 10, 2013, 01:51:06 pm
No, it isn't!
They're much better than the movies....
I believe that the movies are more for girls :S
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Post by: joeyn on June 10, 2013, 02:07:41 pm
It seemed to me like Bella wasn't the best role model for girls. Wishy-washy, sitting around waiting for a guy to save her. Maybe it's just me, but some female friends have concurred.
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Post by: Dan on June 10, 2013, 11:12:18 pm
It seemed to me like Bella wasn't the best role model for girls. Wishy-washy, sitting around waiting for a guy to save her. Maybe it's just me, but some female friends have concurred.

She's also fine with being in an abusive relationship that the book glorifies.
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Post by: briguy on June 11, 2013, 08:49:30 am
I read the series mainly because a friend of mine at the time would talk about them all the time.  I took a book and read it in a few days, then didn't read another until right before the last one cam out.  I was at his house a bit during the summer and he couldn't stop talking about different part, just talking of snippets with his girlfriend.  So I took the book and when the his twins weren't using me as a jungle gym read them.  The books aren't that bad, yes they were targeted to a certain genre,  but others liked them as well.

And it is fine with the vampires sparkling, as long as the zombies all have cognitive thinking scientist to further their cause and ride unicorns.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: doriangraim on December 09, 2013, 08:49:55 pm
I haven't read the books, but I had seen the first movie. I will just say one thing: I prefer the vampire chronicles written by Anne Rice.
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Dan on December 09, 2013, 09:21:03 pm
I haven't read the books, but I had seen the first movie. I will just say one thing: I prefer the vampire chronicles written by Anne Rice.

She doesn't like then anymore because she "writes for Jesus" now. But they should still be sold because they "show her journey" (which is a funny way to say "they make me a fuckload of money").
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Post by: INnudeguy on December 09, 2013, 10:18:23 pm
Before I answer................What makes a book a chick book ????????
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: Riot.EXE on December 10, 2013, 02:46:46 am
Before I answer................What makes a book a chick book ????????

The same stereotypes one would attach to a "chick flick"
Title: Re: Twilight: A girl's book ?? or not?
Post by: INnudeguy on December 11, 2013, 09:06:12 pm
Before I answer................What makes a book a chick book ????????

The same stereotypes one would attach to a "chick flick"

OK so what makes a chick flick ?