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Title: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: rdfcguy on December 12, 2015, 10:22:08 pm
I love history a lot, and it was a pleasant surprise to me that there was an expositional film on this topic. It's amazing to see how quickly cultural attitudes change in just one or two generations. The person who made the video did a good job, and I like that he didn't try to present with a bias towards or against the subject, but gave the straight facts. Very interesting stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGt_HUSSyQQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eznEFMp6odU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNxNnywZ3tU
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: INnudeguy on December 13, 2015, 01:34:08 am
This is an excellent video series .  Used  this as one of the links in my initial conversation with my mom about social nudism.   I think this would make an excellent opening to start a conversation with other friends
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: Sunlover on January 29, 2016, 10:50:15 am
I'd be very thankful now if the system forced me to swim in what's the most natural, logic and rational clothe for swimming, back when I was at my secondary school. We had twice a week obligatory swimming lessons as the PE exercise (2 times in the pool and 2 times in the sport hall weekly). Not only was the swimming suits considered normal and required, but we even showered wrongly, I mean in trunks also. Both before as after swimming.

Now, the thing about showering was really inappropriate. They should have told us and force us to do it wisely to maintain the right hygiene. I even felt it's not really right back 10 years ago, but of course no one had enough courage to strip and wash himself properly.

But the bigger thing, about swimming naked, would be something I would perhaps understand many years later, but once I had, I would appreciate it a lot. I know it now. And due to the self-conciousness I was taught to be the only righteous way to act like, I think I've lost a few years of enjoying myself in the body I live in and not be ashamed of how it lookes! Now that the idea of being ashamed of my own body seems so very ridiculous, I regret not having this good mindset earlier.
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: TheNudeBot on January 29, 2016, 02:27:35 pm
I wonder if any schools let 5he girls do this as well... there's usually a false negativity to females in any of these kind of regards
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: Danee on January 29, 2016, 02:54:40 pm
I wonder if any schools let 5he girls do this as well... there's usually a false negativity to females in any of these kind of regards

From a blog:


(http://s30.postimg.org/r3wwgtdgd/Life_Magaize_1941.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/r3wwgtdgd/)

These photos were printed in a 1941 edition of LIFE.   The fact that this family magazine was sold to the public on virtually ever newsstand in America is very telling of the culture of the day.   Taking a camera into a boys' locker room at school and photographing teenage boys completely naked while showering, then, printing that photo taking up an entire half page for the world to look at was consider perfectly appropriate.   The published letters to the editor immediately subsequent to this edition never revealed any reader voicing concern about it.    But there is little doubt that had the photograph been taken in the girls' showers showing them stark naked, it never would have been printed anywhere.     This clearly evidences a double-standard that reaches well into the 20th century.

http://youtu.be/nNTOFao9Jf4 (http://youtu.be/nNTOFao9Jf4)

 :happy


If you click on the link below, there are many, many newspaper reports and accounts of it.    The boys often had female instructors as well. 


https://sites.google.com/site/historicarchives4maleswimming/home/archives---mid-20th-century-to-current/photographs (https://sites.google.com/site/historicarchives4maleswimming/home/archives---mid-20th-century-to-current/photographs)





(http://41.media.tumblr.com/564fc6474f838d5d8e91f9a990e29593/tumblr_no7m38MyhO1uvssdso1_540.jpg)


http://stillrowing7-swimming.tumblr.com/ (http://stillrowing7-swimming.tumblr.com/)


(http://41.media.tumblr.com/8ff0d64175f3c16f8fb414461e5c349f/tumblr_no7nme3yNd1uvssdso1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: nudedude90 on January 29, 2016, 06:37:55 pm
Really nice articles and movies..
I dont know the pros and cons axactly, but i think it was good, to swim naked for kids somehow.
You learn to get over bodyshame and learn to not see everything sexual or somehow learn to not be ashemed about your body.
When i was a kid, i off course i dindt swim naked in a public bath, but it was stil oke to just shower naked  under the showers. Never felt weird about it.. Off course because i went to nude resorts with my parents but i didnt see anything of shame on the other boys either..
When i go to the gym today (pretty often ) really everybody, also like grown older men even, stand there really shamefull with a towel afraid someone would see their but... sometimes i dont even dare to walk to the shower or sauna naked myselve anymore, because everybody then is watching you like you are some alien ( or better tries to avoid seeing you, because you are naked)  It mostly takes me a whole while to first get undressed then dressed again when i have to worry about someone seeing me naked .. i really have to hold my towel the around me the whole timem which falls off then, and trying to grap it again fast, only just looks more rediculous
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: Dogoegma on March 03, 2016, 11:23:27 am
What really surprises me is the internet's denial of such events. It seems obvious to me that this was the case then, but look through google and you will find countless boards DEBATING the existence of mandated skinny dipping. Truly fascinating IMO. Think about it, there is a large enough cultural barrier such that the very notion of swimming naturally is seen as impossible to some. Personally I think that we should advocate to bring this system back (although for both genders), we might even be able to save money on filtration systems (if indeed that is a problem, but hey every little bit helps right?).
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: rdfcguy on March 03, 2016, 02:10:37 pm
What really surprises me is the internet's denial of such events. It seems obvious to me that this was the case then, but look through google and you will find countless boards DEBATING the existence of mandated skinny dipping. Truly fascinating IMO. Think about it, there is a large enough cultural barrier such that the very notion of swimming naturally is seen as impossible to some. Personally I think that we should advocate to bring this system back (although for both genders), we might even be able to save money on filtration systems (if indeed that is a problem, but hey every little bit helps right?).

It's a nice idea, but that ship has sailed. Our culture as a whole has moved past comfort with casual nudity, even with the same gender. However, in other ways it's advancing, such as with the growing topfreedom movement. It's possible that we'll return to that state, but it won't be anytime soon nor will nudging it towards nudity help. Just wait patiently.
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: Sunlover on March 04, 2016, 09:51:37 am
What really surprises me is the internet's denial of such events. It seems obvious to me that this was the case then, but look through google and you will find countless boards DEBATING the existence of mandated skinny dipping. Truly fascinating IMO. Think about it, there is a large enough cultural barrier such that the very notion of swimming naturally is seen as impossible to some. Personally I think that we should advocate to bring this system back (although for both genders), we might even be able to save money on filtration systems (if indeed that is a problem, but hey every little bit helps right?).

It's a nice idea, but that ship has sailed. Our culture as a whole has moved past comfort with casual nudity, even with the same gender. However, in other ways it's advancing, such as with the growing topfreedom movement. It's possible that we'll return to that state, but it won't be anytime soon nor will nudging it towards nudity help. Just wait patiently.
Overall I agree on that, but instead of just waiting patiently I'd suggest taking some actions including stretching the silly law situations by ignoring some dumb restrictions and organising ourselves, naturists, into nude beaches or other places / events. I mean, waiting patiently PLUS living our lives the way we want them to be like, at least to some extent.
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: TheNudeBot on August 27, 2016, 05:27:32 am
What really surprises me is the internet's denial of such events. It seems obvious to me that this was the case then, but look through google and you will find countless boards DEBATING the existence of
mandated skinny dipping. Truly fascinating IMO. Think about it, there is a large enough cultural barrier such that the very notion of swimming naturally is seen as impossible to some. Personally I think that we should advocate to bring this system back (although for both genders), we might even be able to save money on filtration systems (if indeed that is a problem, but hey every little bit helps right?).

It's a nice idea, but that ship has sailed. Our culture as a whole has moved past comfort with casual nudity, even with the same gender. However, in other ways it's advancing, such as with the growing topfreedom movement. It's possible that we'll return to that state, but it won't be anytime soon nor will nudging it towards nudity help. Just wait patiently.

I hate the idea of just waiting. You mentioned a movement, so not just waiting
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: Kyle on August 27, 2016, 05:50:01 am
I know they did have nude swimming at my old school in Buffalo, NY. I am unsure though of how widespread this was. Or exactly when or why they changed.
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: aidenwrestling on August 27, 2016, 02:14:22 pm
our school pool requires like swimsuits. like everyone wears speedos but last year some of us did go out to the pool naked for a bit before coach came out and told us to go back to the lockerroom for our suits. it was mostly a dare but it was still kinda a swimming naked at school experience. i didnt know that they used to have naked swim in schools allowed tho. thats pretty cool. swimmin naked just like feels better anyway.
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: TheNudeBot on August 27, 2016, 10:12:56 pm
@Danee (to tge video) it seems odd that the girls would freak out despite earlier it seemed that it wasn't completely segregated. It also seemed like they had a choice but probably didn't pick it.
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: Dogoegma on August 27, 2016, 11:39:18 pm
Anyone got an idea on how much it costs to invest in a new swimming pool facility?
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: Danee on November 09, 2016, 12:21:41 pm
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Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: cp on November 09, 2016, 06:56:50 pm

Great Reading this is..

I especially like the Dear Abby article how surprised the mum was, and then the Answer from Abby about the fact she was more surprised with the fact the 19 year old introduced himself and walked her back to the house... well cool

Almost seems like we have gone backwards :-)
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: NakedIsNatural on December 07, 2016, 06:06:01 pm
Dear Abby's idea that women require a higher degree of modesty than men is quite pointed in my opinion. This sounds like a shining example of sexualizing the female form far more than the male's. The fact that it was perfectly ok for men to swim nude but women had to protect their modesty is a screaming double standard.
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: Dogoegma on December 18, 2016, 09:21:46 pm
Dear Abby's idea that women require a higher degree of modesty than men is quite pointed in my opinion. This sounds like a shining example of sexualizing the female form far more than the male's. The fact that it was perfectly ok for men to swim nude but women had to protect their modesty is a screaming double standard.

Yes, however one has to remember the culture of the time. The mid-20th century is marked by a reaction to WW2 by being ultra-conservative and conformist. Remember that in human history very few things compare with the many tragedies of that same century, hence people were seeking a "safe-zone" of conformity where they could have peace knowing that things would work out in the end (esp. considering the threat of nuclear winter). People were drawing very heavily from Socrates and Ancient Greek culture in general as a philosophical echo-backlash against contemporary Continental Philosophy (esp. Nietzsche's Existentialism which was blamed for a lot of the ideas surrounding fascism). The Ancient Greeks held very similar views as shown by the manner of thought in this article, and I think that this provides some limited circumstantial evidence for my hypothesis. Worse yet was the fear of communism, which added even more social stress to the already exhausted communities. Communism is no joke, and has many glaring problems and still today is largely responsible (along with fascism) for many of our current geo-political tensions (indeed, many of our problems with the Arab World stem from the heavy influence of the Baath party [which was funded by the Nazis in WW2 to destabilize British colonial possessions], which still cause massive headaches for those attempting reform and stabilization in those areas [as a testament to that fact, Mein Kampf sales are doing well in those regions {although it's success is not limited to said regions}] and from the collapse of the USSR and the high traffic of arms to the Middle East). In short, given that people seek security as level 2 on the Maslow pyramid and that is relatively low on said pyramid, we can see the cultural reluctance to embrace more egalitarian motifs as a response to social stress. Naturally this is merely my opinion.
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: ailsaman on December 20, 2016, 10:03:49 pm
our school pool requires like swimsuits. like everyone wears speedos but last year some of us did go out to the pool naked for a bit before coach came out and told us to go back to the lockerroom for our suits. it was mostly a dare but it was still kinda a swimming naked at school experience. i didnt know that they used to have naked swim in schools allowed tho. thats pretty cool. swimmin naked just like feels better anyway.

when I first went to school and we had swimming it was always rumoured that if you forgot you kit you had to swim nude but it never happened. in fact if you forgot your kit you usually ended up doing lines or detention

we all changed in one big open area and so you all saw each other naked anyway whilst we were changing and we all had to wear trunks - I think it was school regulation black or blue speedo type trunks, you certainly were not allowed board shorts or anything like that.

When we came out it was all naked for showering, and I can't imagine it happening now, but the teacher would be standing outside as we lined up we all took our trunks off as we went into the showers. It wasn't something we really thought much of at the time and anyway it would seem quite normal that you would shower with nothing on
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: anakyn on January 04, 2019, 07:34:55 am
In the northern Europe, kids, also not grown in nudist families and not in nudist places, are usually used to go naked in the locker rooms, also with grownups around, naked as well. They get showers and saunas naked, never seen someone with swimsuit on.
They are perfectly comfortable with it because it's normal; sounds stupid to take a shower with swimsuit on, the only reason would be the modesty, but, evidently, it's so natural and normal for them, since they are toddlers, that nobody cares.
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: AspieNaked on June 09, 2019, 05:31:26 pm
It should at least be optional. Having to wear a swimsuit which with the wet fabric set off my sensory issues made my time swimming in school miserable. I would have done far better if I had been able to swim naked.
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: Cle Leftwrite on June 09, 2019, 07:22:57 pm
Interesting watches and reads.
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: DrgHybrid on June 09, 2019, 09:09:31 pm
It should at least be optional. Having to wear a swimsuit which with the wet fabric set off my sensory issues made my time swimming in school miserable. I would have done far better if I had been able to swim naked.

Unfourtunately, the world has to “think of everyone else” in this age. If places allowed it to be optional, but someone else was offended by it, then that’s the problem in their eyes.

Sadly, nudity “just as explained in the video” is sexualized more then it ever has in history. Even for children. It seems that the only age that can get away with it now are babies and toddlers.

I fear, however, that that will go away as well eventually. Especially following incidents, like within the last couple of years, that naked dad and toddler daughter were in the shower together as he was trying to lower her fever and that she sick and throwing up. Mother found it a bonding experience and a caring father. The world found it dirty and taboo.
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: SOPHIEW on June 09, 2019, 10:07:26 pm
I agree! Don’t think it will ever come back.. kids are too shy! In the UK it’s rare to even shower after gym class anymore

No nudity atall
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: Tree on July 18, 2019, 02:59:41 pm

Unfourtunately, the world has to “think of everyone else” in this age. If places allowed it to be optional, but someone else was offended by it, then that’s the problem in their eyes.

Sadly, nudity “just as explained in the video” is sexualized more then it ever has in history. Even for children. It seems that the only age that can get away with it now are babies and toddlers.

I fear, however, that that will go away as well eventually. Especially following incidents, like within the last couple of years, that naked dad and toddler daughter were in the shower together as he was trying to lower her fever and that she sick and throwing up. Mother found it a bonding experience and a caring father. The world found it dirty and taboo.

There was a significant backlash against those critics too though. Thankfully there are some people willing to speak up for those who suffer the wrath of the perpetually offended. But as I realise political discussion isn't allowed here, I'll leave it at that so we don't stray too far off topic.
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: dukewc on December 07, 2019, 04:58:15 pm
i wish my school would allow this
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: Raven on December 07, 2019, 09:34:09 pm
I wish schools still did this. But saying that I can't swim. I tried and failed since I was 5 kinda odd since I grew up around water, fishing, boats, ECT. So if school had a swimming class I would either finally learn or fail..
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: dukewc on December 07, 2019, 10:36:59 pm
I wish schools still did this. But saying that I can't swim. I tried and failed since I was 5 kinda odd since I grew up around water, fishing, boats, ECT. So if school had a swimming class I would either finally learn or fail..


it would still be nice im a good swimmer hope you learn it is pretty fun
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: TheMattinator on March 28, 2020, 12:18:13 am
i wish my school would allow this

You aren't the only one :) I wasn't a great swimmer but I might have tried harder in this case! Lol
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: Dyl10 on March 28, 2020, 06:58:04 am
Anyone got an idea on how much it costs to invest in a new swimming pool facility?

You are talking about quite a lot of money there mate! Indoor or outdoor?? Outdoors obviously cheaper and will also depend on the pool size!! Might be easier to just rent a facility in the evening for an event!!
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: Mettis on March 28, 2020, 09:28:19 am
@rdfcguy @Danee  Great reads and videos on the rapid change in cultural attitudes between one or two generations of nudes swimming in public.
Thanks for sharing!  :like
Title: Re: Nude Swimming In Public Schools
Post by: NudieDaniel on September 13, 2020, 02:46:34 am
Another link to add

http://www.tnsprofessorsig.org/nude%20swimming%20in%20school.html